Talk:2007-08 ASM Star Trek (1965-2005)

2007-11-01T12:07:39Z

Anna: /* Oct 31, 2007: e-mail list */

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==Comparison ST v SW==
I think there could be an interesting comparison between the "general mindset" in Star Trek and Star Wars. While I know I always denied that Star Wars is Fantasy it... certainly has VERY strong elements of it, in contrast to ST. As you said: The Starfleet is militarily drilled while Luke et al rely on single heroes channelling an ominous FORCE (taught by grammatically challenged elders). I do not know yet how much time I will have left besides by Magisterarbeit (outline following soon...) but with interest twds. Fantasy I'd like to do something here maybe, possibly more twds. the beginning than the end. Main ideas I had:
-[Main Point] Border of Fantasy and Science Fiction (Star Wars: Fantasy in a Science Fiction Disguise?)
=> What distinguishes ST from SF in this respect
- What exactly makes SF "pure" SF?
... so far only basic ideas.
--[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 20:27, 30 August 2007 (CEST)

Why should Star Wars be fantasy??? Lightsabers? Well, just stumbled over this page. --[[User:Karsten Sill|Karsten Sill]] 20:05, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

Speaking partly for Olaf, swords are one instance. Then there is the plot: hero with 'supernatural powers' (the force==magic?), an evil black mage (Palpatine, Vader), unbeatable odds...and the success of the hero through... well.. I'd say a combination of faith and magic. Which is not a problem, if one regards it a kind of faith-magic.... I do not know if there are gods in the SW universe, though. Another perspective is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Fortress this] movie which has been acknowledged by G.L. to be of important influence on SW. I would still not classify it as Fantasy... but in the end one probably has to ask: how important is milieu as a criterium for the definition of "Fantasy"?
--[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 23:19, 8 October 2007 (CEST)

:Sounds interesting (Starwars no fantasy??? with princesses and monsters and swords, I repeat swords, in a technically superior future???)

Underline the "technical superior future" and you have the reason why I am still saying "at the very least no pure fantasy". And yes, yes I know that the definition is shaky. Unfortunately, they all are. Besides: even Klingons still fight with swordlike weapons. Well, something between sword and polearm and parade weapon - their Bathleths (sp?). --[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 11:55, 31 August 2007 (CEST)

==Fragments of Mind==

'''"Economy"''': We never hear of an economic system and I remember Kirk telling the biologist in ST IV that all money has been abandoned. Yet, in ''Generations'' he tells Picard that he has SOLD his house... glitch? hidden Federation-internal trading system? (obviously there is some kind of trade between different races with different products &c

'''Nostalgia''': ST VI - even the title is a Shakespeare quote ("The Undiscovered Country", Hamlet, III.ii?)- "Klingon original" - and General Chang really likes quoting him. Also...

'''Contemporal Events''' ... the same Chang's name: pointing to an alleged "Chino-Asian [Communist] menace" [1991] within the allegory of the fall of Communism as en.wikipedia states. Enrony? The Federation seems pretty Communistic to me by now.--[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 00:36, 9 September 2007 (CEST)

Commercial Success: Just found the quotas for ST on Kabel 1 - apparently still a success, at least for a smaller channel: http://www.quotenmeter.de/?newsid=22328 --[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 12:47, 16 September 2007 (CEST)

==Asteroid named for ST character - ongoing cultural presence of the ST universe==
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071007 , cf. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21106431/

Another testimony to the development of [http://www.physorg.com/news110727530.html a new, transparent 'steel'] are many responses in varying news comments dubbing it "Transparent Aluminium" (see Star Trek IV)

== Nov 10, 2007: The Star Trek Night - The Movies ==

I suggest to change the program of that meeting from

:"we'll try to see as many of the movies as possible, eat and drink wine"

to

:"we'll see the movies, eat and try to drink as much of the wine as possible"
--[[User:Christian Fiedler|Christian Fiedler]]

: :) --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] 08:31, 25 October 2007 (CEST)

==Oct 25, 2007: Seminar Plan - please comment and modify!==

Hi everyone: I just concluded a first draft of what might become our schedule. Commentary is welcome. If you have topics you feel interested in, throw them in. I'll try to fit them into the schedule or to modify the schedule accordingly. :PS - and please log in with your real names. See the main page to see how we did it. --[[User:Olaf Simons|Olaf Simons]] 10:07, 25 October 2007 (CEST)

==Oct 31, 2007: The most important list==
Which are the important films we have to watch, your fovourites? If you can tell why, that is even better - 'cause we should make sure that we do not miss something important. Look at the Wikipedia links I provided to refer to titles

===TOS===

===Next Generation===

===Deep Space Nine===

===Voyager===

===Enterprise===

==Oct 31, 2007: e-mail list==
Please note down your E-mail addresses - the ones you really use, so that I can create a list we can use to communicate with each other. Put just your e-mail underneath, leave only a comma between you and your neighbour.

olaf.simons@pierre-marteau.com,wiebkemail@gmail.com,karstensill@gmail.com,manuel.saralidis@googlemail.com,nina@yaq1.net,vogelstange@gmx.de, jenshagemann@gmx.net,nico.zorn@grimoires.de,henning.kurre@uni-oldenburg.de,melanie.molthahn@ewetel.net, friederike.torborg@uni-oldenburg.de, Tobster@gmx.net,
anna_rozwadowski@hotmail.com

==Dec 5, 2007: Show suggestions==
Suggestions for shows:<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Mourns_for_Adonais%3F ''Who mourns for Adonais? (TOS)''] Kirk et al. meet a being demanding identifying himself as Apollon and apparently really being the Greek God. Kirk declines to worship him by stating that 'the one' god they have is enough; Apollon finally leaves as there is 'no place for gods any more'.<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_%28TNG_episode%29 ''Justice (TNG)''] How to deal with a benevolent, protective god of pacifist aliens with overly cruel punishments? (Can the allowance of a people's "God" legitimately override the Prime Directive?)
DS9: no idea which show would be best featuring Sisko as "The Emissary"... lots of tidbits.<br>
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_V ''The Final Frontier (Star Trek V)''] Ok, no show... but with religion and Eden/Sha Ka Ree at the core. --[[User:Nico Zorn|Nico Zorn]] 23:17, 31 October 2007 (CET)

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