Problems of Genre - Revision history

Claudia Kulina: /* Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline */

2008-06-27T14:58:45Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	literary community and market grow		literary community and market grow

	Scott states that he wants to create a novel for Scottland		Scott states that he wants to create a novel for Scottland (as Maria Edgeworth did for Ireland)

2008-06-27T14:56:50Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	- intrigues and treacheries		- intrigues and treacheries

	- young and ~~inexperienced~~ protagonists		- young and unexperienced protagonists

	- ~~imply~~ morals, worldly wisdoms, manners		- implied morals, worldly wisdoms, manners

	- cultural aspects linked to setting and place		- cultural aspects linked to setting and place
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	W.: Patriotism, authenticity, description of space, mediocre hero, identification		W.: Patriotism, authenticity, description of space, mediocre hero, identification

	--> narrtive fiction ~~develop~~ to historical novel (in Borgmeier's sense ???)		--> narrtive fiction develops to historical novel (in Borgmeier's sense ???)

	= Questions for discussion =		= Questions for discussion =

2008-06-27T10:47:48Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	The pieces were published in: Tachmas 1676, Tudor 1678, Dacres 1797, Waverley 1814		The pieces were published in: Tachmas 1676, Tudor 1678, Dacres 1797, Waverley 1814


			''Shared features''

			- some kind of historical reference '''(eigentlich wollten wir sagen: wie auch immer gearteter historischer Bezug, kann das aber nicht richtig übersetzen)'''

			- romantic elements

			- intrigues and treacheries

			- young and inexperienced protagonists

			- imply morals, worldly wisdoms, manners

			- cultural aspects linked to setting and place

			- sociological oriented writing of history

2008-06-27T10:35:10Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	W.: promote national ideal, (money??), presentation of history		W.: promote national ideal, (money??), presentation of history

	--> functionality, going beyond entertainment, reach sth.		--> functionality of the novel, going beyond entertainment, reach sth.

2008-06-26T20:41:52Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	W.: Patriotism, authenticity, description of space, mediocre hero, identification		W.: Patriotism, authenticity, description of space, mediocre hero, identification

	--> narrtive fiction develop to historical novel		--> narrtive fiction develop to historical novel (in Borgmeier's sense ???)



	= Questions for discussion =		= Questions for discussion =

2008-06-26T20:07:13Z

Questions for discussion

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	2. What justifies Borgmeier's assumption that Waverley should be regarded as the first historical novel, why not Tudor? '''Falls das hier noch wer besser formulieren kann, nur zu!'''		2. What justifies Borgmeier's assumption that Waverley should be regarded as the first historical novel, why not Tudor? '''Falls das hier noch wer besser formulieren kann, nur zu!'''

	3. Is it useful to design a "Gattungsmodel", if there can only be found few similarities and umpteen differences within the genre. Can we actually speak of a Gattung in this context?		3. Is it useful to design a "Gattungsmodel", if there can only be found few similarities and umpteen differences within the genre? Can we actually speak of a Gattung in this context?

	4. Questioning you as the adressed reader,		4. Questioning you as the adressed and informed reader: Could you might think of a better term than "historical novel" to refer to and to describe this type of genre?

2008-06-26T20:02:50Z

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			= Questions for discussion =

			1. How does the concept of history (in these novels) change over the course of time?

			2. What justifies Borgmeier's assumption that Waverley should be regarded as the first historical novel, why not Tudor? '''Falls das hier noch wer besser formulieren kann, nur zu!'''

			3. Is it useful to design a "Gattungsmodel", if there can only be found few similarities and umpteen differences within the genre. Can we actually speak of a Gattung in this context?

			4. Questioning you as the adressed reader,

2008-06-26T19:48:55Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	The pieces were published in: Tachmas 1676, Tudor 1678, Dacres 1797, Waverley 1814		The pieces were published in: Tachmas 1676, Tudor 1678, Dacres 1797, Waverley 1814


	''Mode of presentation''		''Mode of presentation''

2008-06-26T19:48:22Z

Ergebnisse vom 26. Juni & Handout outline

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	--> functionality, going beyond entertainment, reach sth.		--> functionality, going beyond entertainment, reach sth.


			''3. What strategies were used to make it look good?''

			T.T.: romance, language, possibility to put oneself into the characters--> to fire the imagination of the audience

			C.D.: latin, french words, telling names (roman a clef), trying to be funny by using „funny“ expressions, side stories

			W.: Patriotism, authenticity, description of space, mediocre hero, identification

			--> narrtive fiction develop to historical novel

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	1. For whom were these pieces written?		''1. For whom were these pieces written?''

	T.T.: educated reader but not academics or scholars		T.T.: educated reader but not academics or scholars
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	--> broader group of audience adressed		--> broader group of audience adressed
	literary community and market grow
	Scott states that he wants to create a novel for Scottland		literary community and market grow

			Scott states that he wants to create a novel for Scottland


			''2. What were the intentions for writing that piece at that point of time?''

			T.T.: entertainment, worldly wisdoms

			C.D.: remittance work, social criticism, ideological view on history, moral??

			W.: promote national ideal, (money??), presentation of history

			--> functionality, going beyond entertainment, reach sth.