Talk:2007-08 ASM Star Trek (1965-2005) - Revision history

Nico Zorn at 23:00, 25 January 2008

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	:::You can find A LOT of ST episodes on Youtube. "In a mirror, darkly" can be found there as well as tons of others. Just search for "enterprise episodes" for example. You should also take a look at the user ENTepisodes.		:::You can find A LOT of ST episodes on Youtube. "In a mirror, darkly" can be found there as well as tons of others. Just search for "enterprise episodes" for example. You should also take a look at the user ENTepisodes.
	:In defence of the "In a mirror, darkly" episode I want to say that I really enjoyed finally seeing Star Trek characters acting in a "badass" sort of way. It was entertaining and funny to see them - at once - not acting according to some flawless moral. It is indeed a mirror of standard Star Trek as characters behave absolutetly and often even ridiculously unethical as opposed to their often ridiculously ethical counterparts.--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:31, 16 January 2008 (CET)		:In defence of the "In a mirror, darkly" episode I want to say that I really enjoyed finally seeing Star Trek characters acting in a "badass" sort of way. It was entertaining and funny to see them - at once - not acting according to some flawless moral. It is indeed a mirror of standard Star Trek as characters behave absolutetly and often even ridiculously unethical as opposed to their often ridiculously ethical counterparts.--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:31, 16 January 2008 (CET)

			===In a Mirror Darkly: Altered Intro===
			For the Mirror Universe episode of Enterprise (which is in itself very bad plot-wise, imho, failing at several levels) the altererd intro is interesting.
			cf. [http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5zw6fGjdA In a Mirror Darkly Intro] with [http://youtube.com/watch?v=LxRASpy8h78 Usual Enterprise Intro]. The two can be effectively watched in two windows beside each other and largely correspons. Start the Mirror one when the usual intro is running for 3 seconds. It gives a... basic idea of the differences. --[[User:Nico Zorn\|Nico Zorn]] 00:00, 26 January 2008 (CET)


	== Prime Directive ==		== Prime Directive ==

David schuenemann: /* Star Trek XI Trailer */

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	== Star Trek XI Trailer ==		== Star Trek XI Trailer ==

	paramount has just released the first teaser trailer (HD) for the upcoming 11th movie installment directed by JJ ~~Abrahams~~. Let's hope it~~'s better~~ than Nemesis. Check it out:		paramount has just released the first teaser trailer (HD) for the upcoming 11th movie installment directed by JJ Abrams. Let's hope it will turn out than Nemesis. Check it out:
	[http://www.paramount.com/startrek/hd/index.html Trailer]		[http://www.paramount.com/startrek/hd/index.html Trailer]
	--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:16, 22 January 2008 (CET)		--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:16, 22 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: Star Trek XI Trailer

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Star Trek XI Trailer

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	::::So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.		::::So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
	::::oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)		::::oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

			== Star Trek XI Trailer ==

			paramount has just released the first teaser trailer (HD) for the upcoming 11th movie installment directed by JJ Abrahams. Let's hope it's better than Nemesis. Check it out:
			[http://www.paramount.com/startrek/hd/index.html Trailer]
			--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:16, 22 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: /* Prime Directive */

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Prime Directive

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	::::Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.		::::Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.
	::::So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.		::::So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
	oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)		::::oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: /* Prime Directive */

2008-01-16T17:33:33Z

Prime Directive

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	::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so.		::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so.
	::::Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.		::::Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.
	So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.		::::So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
	oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)		oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: /* Prime Directive */

2008-01-16T17:33:20Z

Prime Directive

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	:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)		:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)
	::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so.		::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so.
	Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.		::::Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.
	So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.		So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
	oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)		oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: /* Prime Directive */

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	::[http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dear_Doctor ''1x13 Dear Doctor''] has more pre-prime-directive ethical discussions between Phlox and Captain Archer.		::[http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dear_Doctor ''1x13 Dear Doctor''] has more pre-prime-directive ethical discussions between Phlox and Captain Archer.
	:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)		:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)
	::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so:		::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so.
	Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.		Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.
	So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.		So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
	oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)		oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

David schuenemann: /* Mirror, Mirror etc. */

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Mirror, Mirror etc.

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	:: "In a mirror, darkly" is one of the few episodes of "Enterprise" that I have seen. And I think it's highly entertaining (voted best episode of "Star Trek - Enterprise" by Star Trek Magazine readers). The title is a quotation from the bible: "For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known." (1 Corinthians 13:12 from the American Standard Version. Source: Memory Alpha.) This kind of blends in with the argument that the negative universe reveals a lot about the positive. Watch the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5zw6fGjdA ''opening credits for this episode''] and compare them to the regular credits. It depicts history between our time and trek-time as a continuation of the war-ridden 20th cenntury. The opening scene of this episode is a scene from "First Contact" (Star Trek VIII) mixed with reshot material. Saphram Cochrane (sp?) shoots (!) the Vulcan and things develop in a completely different way than in our beloved trek-universe (might also be an episode to be looked at in our "star trek politics" sessions). Great stuff! A must see for every fan of Star Trek.--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 10:37, 7 November 2007 (CET)		:: "In a mirror, darkly" is one of the few episodes of "Enterprise" that I have seen. And I think it's highly entertaining (voted best episode of "Star Trek - Enterprise" by Star Trek Magazine readers). The title is a quotation from the bible: "For now we see in a mirror, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know fully even as also I was fully known." (1 Corinthians 13:12 from the American Standard Version. Source: Memory Alpha.) This kind of blends in with the argument that the negative universe reveals a lot about the positive. Watch the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl5zw6fGjdA ''opening credits for this episode''] and compare them to the regular credits. It depicts history between our time and trek-time as a continuation of the war-ridden 20th cenntury. The opening scene of this episode is a scene from "First Contact" (Star Trek VIII) mixed with reshot material. Saphram Cochrane (sp?) shoots (!) the Vulcan and things develop in a completely different way than in our beloved trek-universe (might also be an episode to be looked at in our "star trek politics" sessions). Great stuff! A must see for every fan of Star Trek.--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 10:37, 7 November 2007 (CET)
	:::You can find A LOT of ST episodes on Youtube. "In a mirror, darkly" can be found there as well as tons of others. Just search for "enterprise episodes" for example. You should also take a look at the user ENTepisodes.		:::You can find A LOT of ST episodes on Youtube. "In a mirror, darkly" can be found there as well as tons of others. Just search for "enterprise episodes" for example. You should also take a look at the user ENTepisodes.
			:In defence of the "In a mirror, darkly" episode I want to say that I really enjoyed finally seeing Star Trek characters acting in a "badass" sort of way. It was entertaining and funny to see them - at once - not acting according to some flawless moral. It is indeed a mirror of standard Star Trek as characters behave absolutetly and often even ridiculously unethical as opposed to their often ridiculously ethical counterparts.--[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:31, 16 January 2008 (CET)

	== Prime Directive ==		== Prime Directive ==

David schuenemann: /* Prime Directive */

2008-01-16T17:26:47Z

Prime Directive

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	::[http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dear_Doctor ''1x13 Dear Doctor''] has more pre-prime-directive ethical discussions between Phlox and Captain Archer.		::[http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Dear_Doctor ''1x13 Dear Doctor''] has more pre-prime-directive ethical discussions between Phlox and Captain Archer.
	:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)		:::I'm not participating the seminar, but a fan of Star Trek: How about this one: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_of_an_Eye Voyager ''6x132 Blink of an Eye'']. It's not about the Prime Directive in that way that the rule is broken, but the Voyager still influences a culture (well, accidentally). [[User:Verena Engelhardt\|Verena Engelhardt]] 22:24, 11 November 2007 (CET)
			::::In the process of thinking about my provocative theory of the "prime directive" being nothing more than a writer`s blunder, which is somewhat unsatisfying, I came up with another explanation. If we consider that at least one writer thought that the concept of "Non-Interference" would come naturally to a supposedly extremely far developed society as the Federation that he made it their "prime directive", one should wonder why he thought so:
			Humanity has a history of devastating and frustrating cultural contact. Take, for example, the European colonists in America who exploited and in the end practically wiped out several indigenous cultures (Indians, Maya, ...) that were (from a European perspective) underdeveloped. So this genocide might be the true reason, why there is a prime directive. Whenever "higher developed" cultures encountered "lower developed" cultures in human history, the former had a tendency to first exploit and in the end annihilate (or assimilate) the latter.
			So by introducing the "prime directive" this could be prevented and so we perceive the federation as an extremely far developed society in which cultural conflict (between societies in different phases of their development) is no longer a problem.
			oder so... --[[User:David schuenemann\|David schuenemann]] 18:26, 16 January 2008 (CET)

PetraMeyer: /* Enterprise */

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Enterprise

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	What is the role of Captain Archer? What is his mission?		What is the role of Captain Archer? What is his mission?

	How are women ~~represented~~ (aliens and humans,for example, T'Pol, Sarin, Hoshi)?		How are women portrayed (aliens and humans,for example, T'Pol, Sarin, Hoshi)?

	==Mirror, Mirror etc.==		==Mirror, Mirror etc.==